Golden Dawn: A Tradition for All?

This is a response to Dean’s blog on the same subject matter, which can be found here. The subject which has caught the attention of a lot of members of the Golden Dawn community.
From my own experience when approaching initiation one of the crucial elements needing to be expressed was my own epilepsy. There are certain practical issues with epilepsy and being in a ritual space. At least when people are informed they are better able to ‘prepare’ for the seizure form. Most people are familiar with the stereotypical seizure format which is tonic-clonic or formerly grand-mal seizure. Though in truth there are numerous seizure forms and each don’t get me started on being diagnosed with epilepsy.
The discussion on bias on application forms towards those with mental health issues is something of a major issue for Orders and Temples alike as applicants do need to be able to disclose such issues without reprisal. That said I’ve never been a fan of judging someone on the basis of an application whether it be for a job interview or for initiation. Naturally the two don’t compare but as a system for vetting prospective candidates applications can be a useful tool if coupled with a suitable interview process. While I believe its something of a rarity these days, I do believe that some temples and orders make attempts at least to do some astral work or divination work, how successful these are at vetting members is unknown to myself personally.
I think judging my the vast amount of responses along the blogosphere and on Pat Zalewski’s YahooGroup that enough has been discussed on the issue of whether the G.D. discriminates or not but what I would like to pose to readers is whether or not you feel that such obstacles such as depression, epilepsy, et al. really do hinder one’s study of the system or whether they can actually act as a catalyst to further discovery about one’s self?

5 Replies to “Golden Dawn: A Tradition for All?”

  1. The Virtue of Malkuth is Discrimination (which is not really the same as the ugly connotations of that word we have today). It's about being able to have enough insight and proper sight to distinguish between things (such as reality and illusion), and, of course, if an individual cannot do this (due to a major mental health problem) that spells disaster for occult work and they will most likely be refused membership in a GD temple (if it has a proper vetting procedure).I agree that application forms alone are not good enough to base a decision on, but they are a starting point. If the applicant places their location, date and time of birth it also makes it easy enough to cast a natal chart and get some insight into the person and how they will work with the group from there.At one stage or another we all discriminate. For example, we could accept every magician with a mental health problem (many are accepted as is), but would we accept an "Average Joe" who knows nothing about magic but just wants a bit of a laugh? At some stage there is a line we will not cross.LVX,Dean.

  2. The down side is having a group full of nutters or people who never do any work and expect that they will be 7=4 by next Tuesday. I think that you have to be an elitist in a GD group but somethings should not be reasons to exclude. Thinking that you are Napoleon is probably OK so long as you are not banging on (in French) about the need to invade Austria. However someone who insists they are perfect while at the same time being unable to do basics has to go

  3. Hey Dean and Nick, my own views is that the nature of the group does require discernment, which is generally speaking a socially acceptable form of discrimination. It reminds me of the difference between insane and eccentric in Victorian era… basically mullah! lol

  4. Niall,Great comments here. In my own experience, a combination of meeting the person(s) in question by the full group and divination through whatever means seems to gauge a potential member's chances of being a total nut-job or a regular person. Our group was actually approached by a fellow who wanted to know how to physically blow things up! Needless to say, doing a divination was not necessary on this fellow. For a similar discussion, see my blog on mundane politics and the GD: blog!

  5. Thanks Frater AENE, there's no denying that magical work does attract the *ahem* eccentric shall we say. For cases such as your man I think declining his application would have been the better choice as someone that wishes to learn how to "blow schtuff up" has gone way deeper into the realm of fantasy than is healthy for magical work. A healthy dose channeled appropriately can be a wonderful tool of innovation for the system. Was it Einstein that said that invention was 1% perspiration and 99% creativity?I have your blog listed already and have skimmed over. Its rather late now but I shall mosey on over in the morn and try and contribute.

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